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So the pompous old men on the Veterans Committee--the same pompous old men who believe Bill Mazeroski is a Hall of Famer--passed on the everyone's favorite Square-D Electronics spokesman Ron Santo yet again. And as a Cubs fan whose uncle was once driven home from Wrigley by Santo when he was thirteen (true story folks), I'd feel I was neglecting my duty if I didn't complain.

I guess what amazes me about Santo's repeated snubs is that it so plainly contradicts most criteria used by Hall of Fame voters--even the bad ones. Lots of All-Star appearances--he has those. Best at his position during his prime--he was that. Excelled on both offense and defense--he did that. Reputation as a "gritty" player--he had that too. The one bad criterion he doesn't pass--postseason performance. Of course, if a voter counts team accomplishment against a player for Hall of Fame candidacy--and many voters do--he should have his privileges stripped. But life ain't fair.

As far as statistics, Santo's are pleasing to all tastes. Tons of walks (in an era when walking was rarely encouraged) and RBIs--those are numbers both Earl Weaver and Dusty "It's called hitting, not walking" Baker can appreciate. They may not be Willie Mays, but they are Joe Morgan.

It really does make you wonder--how much is the voting process skewed by personal grudges, or at least personal distaste. A lot of Santo's contemporaries thought he was a brash jerk; Mazeroski was everyone's darling because he was a gamer and a glueguy...and clutch!

But for all of Santo's qualifications, one factor should never enter the argument. And that's his diabetes. I realize that many writers bring it up merely to augment his case with dramatic flair or emotional appeal. But strictly regarding his qualifications, overcoming diabetes to excell at baseball--while incredible--should be viewed no differently than, say, injury struggles, below-average eyesight, or anything else that hinders one's ability to play baseball. When a writer tries to use Santo's diabetes as a criterion for his induction or as a means to rescale his numbers, it devalues Santo's accomplishments, undermines the argument, and--worst of all--patronizes Santo.

If Santo's as humble a guy as everyone says, he probably doesn't get too annoyed by the frequent allusions to his condition (after all, it does bring attention to his charity). At the same time, I'm sure he doesn't want to be a charity case himself. Like everyone else, he just wants to be rightly acknowledged for being really good at playing baseball. Fortunately, that mysterious upward trend by which retired guys get better with time is on his side right now. Let's hope it continues for one more round of voting.

11 comments:

Mike 1:01 PM  

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh Noooooooooooooo!!!

Anonymous,  2:51 PM  

I'm convinced that the (Eddie) Veterans Committee will never elect anyone into the hall of fame, and if they do, it'll be some shit ass player like Eckstein.

Seriously, though, the most frustrating part of this stupid committee is that these guys are less qualified to vote on members than even the bad baseball writers that vote on the hall. Sure, they were great, but great ballplayers have a tendency to overrate aspects of a game (i.e.: intangibles and other horseshit voodoo crap like being a team player) over actually putting up good numbers. They care little, I'm sure, for statistical context and just want to reinforce the same system based on the premise that, "If it's good enough to get me into the HOF, there obviously aren't any problems with the regular voting system."

For Christ's sake, put Santo and Bert Blyleven in the Hall and cut the shit.

TR 4:09 PM  

Apparently the greatest second baseman ever (just ask him, he'll tell you) Joe Morgan threw a fit on a conference call after AM 1000's Bruce Levine called out the vets committee. The audio right now is on the station's web page:

http://sports.espn.go.com/stations/espnradio1000/

Not a fan of Levine, but any time someone can offend Morgan, well, they are doing God's work

Anonymous,  5:23 PM  

Simply put, total bullshit.

Anonymous,  9:29 PM  

Would a team with 4 Hall of Famers play together for years and years but never once make it to first place in a 6 team division? Something about that just wouldn't sit with me, 3 I can stand but that's it. I'll be for letting Santo in if they kick one of the other three out. And that's my totally ridiculous observation of the day.
Corcoran

Anonymous,  11:58 PM  

It's thhat kind of thinking that makes the Baseball Hall of Fame such an elitist joke.

Mike 9:50 AM  

Well Corc, I'm assuming that the other three you're referring to are Fergie Jenkins, Billy Williams, and Ernie Banks. We have to keep in mind in all cases when evaluating postseason performance that it's a very different landscape today. Let's review.

All four of them (including Santo) only played together from 1966-1971. So that's just 6 seasons. Not exactly a lifetime in baseball. And those Cub teams finished 489-482. The reason that record may not sound impressive is because their first season together they were 44 games under .500 and came in dead last.

After that year, the only year where the Cubs finished lower than 3rd was in 1971, where they went 83-79. That record would be good enough to win a share of the NL Central this year, but that year, they were 14 games behind the 1971 World Series Champion Pirates.

Likewise, postseason accomplishment should really reflect the fact that in the 1960s, there were fewer teams, and even fewer playoff berths available in a pre-wild card era.

In 1966 the NL had ten teams, and only one made the postseason (10%). Starting in 1969 the NL East Division had 6 teams and only one made the postseason (17%). Today there are 16 NL teams and 4 make the playoffs (25%), and even the most populous division, the NL Central could send two teams to the playoffs (33%) and have more of its teams percentage-wise make the playoffs than at any time during the "Big Four"'s time togteher.

So playoff berths were harder to come by, in addition with there only being 20 teams instead of the 30 today, I can only assume the talent pool was deeper, which likely led to four hall of famers (if you count Santo) being on the same team in the first place.

I know it was a "totally ridiculous observation" but really should be remembered that in that 6 year stretch when they were all together, there were only 6 playoff berths that the Cubs were eligible for, and 48 teams contending for them.

On an equally ridiculous, but somewhat related note, had the six-division alignment used today been in effect then, the Cubs would have been NL Central Champions in 1969, and Wild Card Winners in '67, '68, and '70.

Anonymous,  11:24 AM  

Well I got owned. For the record I was never trying to make a serious argument, it was more trying to kick Cubs fans while they're down, taking some joy in Santo's disappointment(who I've never liked) and being glad that the Cubs will have one less HOF'er. For the most notoriously unsuccessful team in all of sports they sure do have a lot of them. On a serious note, when the HOF makes a dubious decision I'm glad they make their error on the side of exclusivity. While this keeps my own guys like Minoso out it makes the accomplishment that much better.

Nathan 2:51 PM  

I feel for you Corc. People on this site do not recognize sarcasm, tongue-in-cheek comments or absurd-for-the-sake-of-being-absurd statements. It drives me bat-shit crazy.

Mike 3:17 PM  

The problem is that having known you for several years, Corcoran, sometimes I have a hard time telling your over-the-top raging anti-Cubism from...like...anything else. And that's when you're standing right across from me. Internet makes that harder. Welcome to YCS.

Nathan 5:05 PM  

I am going to be the best school president ever!

(slow clap)
Bravo Lisa, Bravo.

Oh, isn't that sweet. Even your brother's adding his kudos!

I was being sarcastic!

You were?

No, I was being sincere!

Homer: Oh, i'm so confused!

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